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The programming environment on my C=64 was messy, too. But kids are pretty smart, and they can be especially determined when they see they can make a real computer program.

That's a reason I like Javascript. It's not the best language, but you can write something that looks just like any real webpage.

As a kid I never liked software that was kind of like a game with a little programming environment inside: they weren't good games, and they weren't good programming environments.



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