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Sloppy conclusion about edtech startups.

If everyone is hiring a "tutor" to just do their homework for them, that doesn't mean that all tutors are bad.


There’s many books and established schools of thought about computers being terrible for learning even before the latest wave AI edtech nonsense.

Simply put, there’s nothing better than old school pen to paper.


The biggest speedbump to that is teacher time. Grading and returning worksheets for students is a huge unpaid time sink for teachers.

As you say, like most of any of our current issues, it's not the act of doing something that is the issue, it's the lack of remuneration for doing that thing. Any region would gain an immense amount of more "smart point metrics" (what I choose to refer these scores as) if students had their own personal tutors that helped them along. But that doesn't fit our "profit or perish" economic models.

It's not just compensation grading is a very time intensive process so even if it were paid it eats up either personal time or time they could use preparing lessons or assisting students.

Brilliant. AI message board honey pot.

Indeed. It's another example of a law that sounds good and obvious, but has no thought put into what it would actually end up doing to the world.

So many other problems. If we apply this law to cruise control - simple outcome. We get no cruise control.


We still have guns and knives and nail guns and even cars. They automate something, but also have potential to injure and kill. You just weigh the pros and cons. You don't just not do something because there's a risk of death. Cars are basically metal coffins. Just don't drive when drunk, etc? Basic competence and operational safety and responsibility? If cruise control made you free from blame everyone would just be driving drunk off their ass with cruise control on. How is that more thought out?

If you engage cruise control, and it starts to accelerate uncontrollable, or swerves your steering wheel sharply and causes an accident, then you can sue the manufacturer. The cruise control did not work as intended.

The reason why we have cruise control is that manufacturers went to great lengths to make sure that it works as intended. Threat of lawsuits is what made them do that.


Do you think you are liability free if you’re operating a car on cruise control and it kills someone?

No. But almost always, the car company is fine.

The OP was suggesting whoever deploys the agent has liability for its actions, not the creators of the models the agents are running.

I hate to break it to you, but you are currently still responsible for killing somebody while driving a car on cruise control, especially if you act recklessly.

EDIT: to be less snarky, there are obvious exceptions if a manufacturer defect is involved. But I still imagine it turns on things like foreseeability and proximate cause (IANAL). Nevertheless, if you were asleep at the wheel, you're getting held responsible.


There's problems with every system, but as a Canadian, it doesn't sound like you know anything about our health care.


> See translator jobs getting wiped out. Nobody even blinked an eye, it didn't spark any discussion, no deep thoughts were had.

Whenever someone writes something like this "nobody talks about it, nobody cared" I always think that just tells you more about the media sources and community of the author (you) than anything else.

Of course people talked about it. They are still talking about it. Of course they cared. They still care. Don't be ridiculous. Go talk to some human translators in real life.

"Nobody is talking about AI". Sounds even more ridiculous when written like that.


I think translators will predict what will happen with developers.

So far, what I see:

I have a few friends making a proper living translating AAA games from when I worked in the area. So far there's been a lot of talking but AI hasn't been able to replace them. Whether it's "yet" or not, I won't speculate.

I also know a few people doing freelance translation online, mainly through marketplaces. Those were mainly done in bulk, for websites/apps they never heard about, probably the websites/apps I worked for.

The second group is getting very very few jobs after AI.


Nah. OP's real point is that people didn't talk about translators _enough_. Of course people in the circle are devastated and are screaming at the top of their lungs right now, but at a societal level no one cared enough to for example seriously consider policy changes (like UBI for example).


In that context, a couple of programmers yelling about this on HN also isn't enough. If the group was big enough, we'd hear more talks from policy makers about it. But it's not.

Clearly the tech industry isn't big enough (nor at least, in enough lockstep enough) to push back against this either. So we're still the same as the translators.


Policy makers are very well aware of AI and its societal implications. But they also are aware that without the AI investments we’d be in a recession. Their horizons don’t span more than a couple years, what will happen to society in 15 years is none of their concern really.


On one hand, you are right about AI keeping the US from being in an official recession. On the other hand, I'm not sure how much longer they can gaslight their constituents into saying "the job market is great, unemployment is low" before that's starts becoming their problem.

Their only benefit here is that their most active voter base is also the least participating in the job market. But it seems like the current working class are starting to wake up.


Oh, for sure, we're sleepwalking into unknown territory.


It has points because people agree with it.


Throughout history, there have been many examples of things that most people believed to be true but were actually false. :)


I'm far above that floor so I'm not worried.

What worries me is the job is transforming into something that a different type of person than me enjoys.


People are spending billions of dollars a month in aggregate because yes, they do like it.


People? Or corporations?


oh! so openai is profitable? I missed this huge milestone. /s


It's hard to take criticism like this seriously when you didn't say the model you used. It's like someone complaining about a car's performance but they leave out the brand and year. If you don't think that's relevant I just can't take you seriously.


What's the point? It doesn't matter what model he says, he'll either get "that model is bad" or "you're holding it wrong".

I've used 5.6 Sol on 1M context and max thinking, and also Opus 5 on max context and thinking, and I agree with that comment. Now what? Does this information matter or will you just say we must be doing something wrong?


it's hard to take this stock dismissal seriously when it's been repeated ad nauseum, for years, every time a new generation is released.


Great. For my game [1] I have long had the capacity to compile a separate commandline application using unity code [2]. This lets me do benchmarks and unit tests on the core chess AI code without the editor. However I've had to maintain a separate second unit test suite that I can only run in the editor manually if any unity specific code is involved. Naturally, it's run far less often.

This new unity cli doesn't replace that design, since it's important to me that my core chess variant AI code remains a project on its own, totally independent of unity. But it does mean lots of my utilities like my second unity test, which normally require clicking a button in the editor, can now be run without the editor. Excellent!

Making a 2d chess variant game means almost all unity editor features just get in my way.

[1] https://www.chesscraft.ca

[2] https://youtu.be/U4xBLTpZ9Xo?si=Gd2aAWKvLqBVBU66


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