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I hope they're wrong, I need to squeeze out 6 years for this career. Fortunately I work for a big stodgy old company whose idea of fast tech adoption is measured in years anyway.

Are they hiring and are they ok with remote ;)

Yes but they need people who can hang on to an HN account for longer than a day.

Oh never mind then; too needy and clingy

I use it informally as a metric for whether there is anything meaningfully bad that I should be aware of. If this is what people bitch about, then probably the product is mostly pretty good.

How do these compare to the AirPods 4 ANC, I wonder? Hopefully not too much better given that I bought a pair of those about a month ago... :-/

> Apple made smaller phones, but they don't sell. They don't sell when they are nice phones, but smaller, and they don't sell when they are cheap phones and smaller.

They funny thing is that the sales numbers were only terrible compared to other iPhones. IIRC it was something like 3% of the iPhone market at the time of discontinuation. Not a big seller for Apple, certainly, but there were times when the Mini made the top ten list for smartphones in general.


> die because of insulin prices

Where does that happen? Even without insurance in America insulin is like 25 bucks a month.


Minnesota in 2017, when you search for Alec Smith.

A tragic case, and maybe things were different back then. Now, Lilly caps their insulin out-of-pocket costs at $35/month, insurance or not. Walmart has cheap no-insurance insulin, too, I'm not sure if that was true in 2017 though. Alec was trying to ration a much more expensive insulin variant, which definitely sucks, and laws were changed in response to his story.

Walmart has had cheap insulin for decades, and update their formula periodically as patents expire. Not many know about it, though. I've used it when traveling and it works even though it's not as effective as the current prescription insulin.

Josh Wilkerson

And it wasn't just a case.

And i'm not allowed to reference this?

I mean i can reference a lot of other things which are still happenin in the USA or do you know want to argue that united states of america takes good care of its people?


> do you know want to argue that united states of america takes good care of its people

I'm not downvoting you, but perhaps the people who are are taking issue with cherrypicking examples, which are well known for a reason -- they are uncommon. Using these to generalize America is not really a great argument.

I could point to David Clapson in the UK as an indictment of their universal health care, and it wouldn't be any better an argument.


I take it you are opposed to using non-Apple apps? I show step count on my Apple watch face.

No, I'm not opposed. I got my watch like 2 months ago and haven't really messed with it since. Just baffled that the option doesn't exist. Which app do you use for that and does it affect battery life?

Why so helpless? Maybe try and solve the problem before complaining about it.

Pedometer apps that pull from Apple Health and offer Watch face complications are a dime a dozen in the app store.


Users just find it odd that this isn't a built-in optional data field considering that step counting (pedometer) has been one of the most common smartwatch use cases for many years now.

First the complaint is that steps are not on the watch face. Then the complaint moves to it not being part of Apple's built-in complications. It seems more like nitpicking just to be contrary. The data is there and easily accessed for people who want it, and we should be happy that there are a plethora of third-party complications that can be used on the Watch.

Having basic expectations out of a smart watch isn't being nitpicky.

What's it matter if I solved the problems then complained about it after? The bottom line is the battery life is garbage and not including a pedometer as a complication is silly.

Check out Pedometer++

Thanks, will do.

On the flip side, Apple blows them away on feature set, and often on data accuracy. There is give & take, different priorities for different people.

I’ve had a previous Apple Watch Ultra, it was nice but after playing with it for a while I used it for notifications and working out. I have a Garmin Epix Pro Gen 2 51mm that will do 31 days of being just a smartwatch and can track my multi day cycling trips. The real killer feature I didn’t know I needed until I had it is a proper led torch on my watch, the light up screen on the Apple Watch doesn’t compare.

I need to see receipts on this claim. 31 days as just a smartwatch would be a stretch. Tracking activities also during that time, based on my experience with many, many Garmin watches, would be a bridge too far. My EpixG2 will last 7-10 days, with 1.5-2 hours of daily workouts during that span. I have most power hungry features turned off, like always on display, pulseox monitor etc.

In any case, it’s longer than the AWU by a long way.


Isn’t Apple famous for faking GPS accuracy by moving the points to roads and paths using their mapping data?

Blows them away? I haven't seen anything that is not just one or two features that other watches don't have. But all the.features require the watch to be on.

Data accuracy most certainly is not in relation to GPS which often cuts distances on the Apple Watch.


To be pedantic it's not just GPS anymore. Newer smartwatches from Apple and competitors generally support multiple GNSS constellations including GPS (USA), Galileo (EU), GLONASS (Russia), Beidou (China), and QZSS (Japan). Some devices also support multi-band GPS which further increases accuracy in areas with degraded satellite signals, although at the cost of higher power usage.

Tracking performance on the previous Apple Watch Ultra 3 was "solid" in an independent test. A little worse than competitors in some activities, a little better in others.

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2025/11/apple-review-ultra-3-in-...


People like to complain about the GPS but I use it when running and it'll easily show me what side of the path I was on at any given point. And the path distance matches precisely with other sources of truth. Maybe there was a time when Garmin had an advantage on some of their watches but I am far from convinced that this has been true anytime in the past few years.

Recordings, yes, but this is transcription.

Depends on if it starts to get a crease after using it a while. I tend to assume that this is why Apple chose not to adopt folding screens as quickly as Android phones did.

> $2,000 for a phone? Holy price point, Batman. No thanks.

Isn't that basically in line with the competition? Cheaper, even, than some of the competition?


$2800 here. What kinda of problem does that solve that's worth that kind of money? I'm seriously asking, because I can't figure it out. I can completely see buying an iPhone 18 Pro because you use it for work as an influencer or media creator, but this is close to twice the price and much less of a tool.

I don't think luxury phones necessarily need to solve problems. They're just luxury phones, people who can afford them will buy them because they like them, not because they're solving problems.

>What kinda of problem does that solve that's worth that kind of money?

If it means I don't have to put reading glasses on to use my phone, I'd pay a lot more...


Have you checked the accessibility features of your phone?

Incredibly useless. It is obvious that Apple doesn't have UI/UX designers over 40. Increasing the font size doesn't effect everything and breaks too many things. For example, you can't change the size of the time in the top left. Style > usability all over the place. Don't get me started on the stupid watch...

That does sound annoying :(

I can't really answer that because I'm not the target for this particular model. I'd rather have a new Mini.

But I think this could be really appealing for a large number of normies who have a phone as their sole computing device.


That is a valid use case, but it's a $2800 device, you can get another iPhone and a Neo (or an iPad) for the same price and have money to spare.

It does make sense as a one and only device, but the price makes it a little unrealistic, in my mind.


Apart from fire and shelter, a person really does not _require_ that much. These are luxury items, to which the basic rationale does not apply.

An influencer needing the latest iphone is also ridiculous when you think about it. They are running instagram and tiktok after all, not waiting for software to compile. They don't even need the latest and greatest camera because all their content is only going to be viewed on a palm sized screen.

Influencers want a device like that for status and branding. Technical specs are not a huge factor.

Doesn't it hide in a giant pink jelly case with a pop socket anyhow?

It's basically for people who want an iPhone and iPad, but in a device that's worse than both, while being more expensive than just buying one of each.

Good god, is it? My current phone is an iPhone SE 3rd Gen and I paid $250 for it on eBay.

That’s not a brand new folding phone. Those start at $1900 MSRP from what I see. However, you can get them a few hundred cheaper. Some of them cost even more than Apple.

People have been saying “Oh my God, who would pay $600 for a phone“ for 20 years. Clearly there are such people.


Most people don't actually realize they're paying $$$$ for their phone, as they get a phone with their mobile plan and they pay some monthly small sum for 24 months that lets them forget they'd never be able to afford it otherwise.

New flagship product with lots of features is more expensive than old entry level product purchased used?!

Not sure what expressing the cost of your current phone has to do with the discussion here, but I’m guessing this phone certainly isn’t for you. Some people choose to spend more on their phones, and some less.

A price difference of 8x for what this offers seems crazy to me.

A $10,000 car and a $80,000 car are going to be markedly different. Same for a $100,000 house vs a $800,000 house.

This $2,000 phone does not seem 8 times better than my $250 phone.


Your phone does not offer more screen area on demand. That is genuinely useful for many people. Apparently, not you, but that's OK.

> This $2,000 phone does not seem 8 times better than my $250 phone.

Well lets adjust the comparison you just made, then.

> A $10,000 car and a $80,000 car are going to be markedly different.

I can buy a Maserati Ghibli for under $10K on eBay and it will be very similar to the $109K Ghibli that Maserati would sell me today.


Well, other than being 10 years old, having 100,000 miles on it, most likely needing a new timing chain, suspension, and generally needing a new cooling system, sure.

That's why they're $10K.

Meanwhile for about the same price differential, $10K on eBay will get you an Audi RS 5 ... engine ... with 60K on it.

I don't know that the Ghibli makes the point you want to make.


> I don't know that the Ghibli makes the point you want to make.

What point do you think I was trying to make? ivraatiems compared what he paid for a used iPhone on eBay to a new iPhone four years newer, and then said this was an absurd price difference because 8x price gets you way more car.

All I did is point out that this is a bullshit comparison because of course you can buy an older, used product way cheaper than a brand new one. I chose the Ghibli because it is one of the more entertaining (and repeatable every year, there are lots of gluttons for punishment out there it seems) examples of fast depreciating cars. To varying degrees this example could use any product, but ivraatiems chose cars so I ran with it.


It's not really fair to compare a used phone price to a brand new one. The SE 3 sold for almost 500 when it was released.

Is this foldable 4x better than your SE 3? Almost definitely, by every metric, except size if you're into small things.


Your opinion is duly noted.

have you considered that you might just not be the target market ? :)

Who exactly is the target market? Millionaires?

As an engineer in a high cost of living location, you can buy this phone and still save some money in the same month.

However, maybe you can't buy a house there. For that you'd have to be a millionaire.


But people like me cannot be the target market of Apple because that would be a very limited number of customers. Also even if I could afford it, I don’t see any use case for it so why would I even buy it?

There’s something like 26 million millionaires in just the USA, that’s a reasonable market for a top-of-the-range $2500 phone, assuming an average sale is the midpoint of the scale

Pretty sure Apple and other manufacturers do market research before pouring tons of resources into it.

I guess the time would tell. I’m pretty sure they did market research before the Apple Vision Pro and we all saw how it turned out

As someone who worked on the Vision Pro, we were well aware that it wasn’t going to change the world on its own, but we were also aware that the current Vision Pro would be the worst one we ever sold. Apple, possibly uniquely amongst its peers, plays the long game on products categories

256GB galaxy z fold8 is ~$1900

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