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Very, very, very little of real-world software dev is anything close to "engineering".


You said it friend.


Take any long-running successful project, and you’ll find that they practice an engineering-like discipline to make it sustainable.


And the difference will be as stark as steak is from stew. To be clear, “engineering-like” is not “engineering”.


I’ve studied Electronic Engineering (and interacted with the Civil Engineering classes). And the main difference is that physical laws are inflexible and failure cases may result in deaths, maiming, and material damages. Software constraints are more forgiving in most cases. But that does not means a total lack of discipline has no negative impact. Au contraire, an engineering mindset greatly improves the chances of successfully delivering a project.


I think non-engineering mindsets in any sort of engineering/engineering adjacent role is the cause of a lot of friction.

>Very, very, very little of real-world software dev is anything close to "engineering".

I mean same principles apply in general.

> If there’s one thing I would like to add is that engineering is a much of a mindset than knowledge.

Amen.

> I won’t say “follow your passion” (which is often a terrible advice). But if you can’t take some joy in what you’re doing (either the act or the goal), your body will rebel in various ways.

The official definition of engineering is: "Engineering is the application of mathematics and scientific principles to design, build, and optimize structures, machines, systems, and processes." Software development falls into this definition. If there isn't something in this definition you like then you're in the wrong job. I find joy in optimizing processes. No matter what scale, a well designed and optimized system brings me joy.


I worked on projects with EEs and MEs for years. Were they not doing "engineering" because they built custom PCBs and the devices they go inside, rather than drawing the wiring plans or HVAC plans for a construction project? Most of them didn't even have a PE.


Name an industry anyone likes, aside from the money they might be making off it. They're all now hated for the same reasons, caused by the same, scarily small, group of people.


I don't think we, as common engineers, can absolve ourselves of all blame. For a time we were in incredible demand and all we've made of it is: some people earned enough to retire early, buy nice cars, or start their own business.

But that demand could have been turned into real power. Now it's too late.


Some of us even pledged to work ethically and practice integrity. Not sure what the original english version is. Found this online:

https://order-of-the-engineer.org/about-the-order/obligation...


Restaurants, gyms, cinemas, Hollywood, sports leagues, book publishing, amazon.

People will have some criticisms of each of these but the average person probably appreciates them more than dislikes them.


I'd say farming. Not agriculture in general, Monsanto is one of the most hated companies, so is John Deere, and farmers hate them too, but the ones working on the field, preferably crops over livestock.

I think that farmers are somehow immune despite having their fair share of evil because we all understand that without them, we would all die.


I'm a New Zealander. Farmers here are disliked by a large percentage of the population


Agriculture is pretty much the antonym of industry.


Hairdressing/beauticians


In the words of Hank Hill, "some people are meant to go to college, and some people are meant to go to beauty school."


This specific quote actually belongs to Luanne Platter

"I learned something really important at college today. I don't wanna be there! Some people are meant to go to college, and some people are meant to go to beauty school. And I'm in beauty school!"

(who says AI is useless?)


Is this a sarcasm? I hate them trying to upsell their stuff or lie about the products(almost all of the product marketing in beauty industry is a lie) or oversell their services.

If I were to guess, I think what you mean interacting with them not the money extraction part?


Kindergartens


Nobody enjoys paying for one though.


I mean sure... but I vote for education tax levies whenever they come up and choose to live somewhere where they pass. I wouldn't call my emotions about it negative.


Space exploration.


I think that's true of NASA. However, I've got a pretty negative view of SpaceX due to the whole "owned by a Nazi thing".


Hahem, Wernher von Braun... What is it with nazis and rockets anyway?


Tons of people believe it's a waste of money though (I disagree).


The problem is capitalism and the injustices it creates. The hated industries are just symptoms.


The problem isn't capitalism, well it's not JUST capitalism. If you give any group of individuals that level of wealth control, the same pattern repeats. They can be shareholders, board directors, or commissars or general secretaries of the people's party, a prince or a duke, or the first citizen.

It doesn't matter, all you need to replicate the same problems is concentration of wealth and power and the ability to direct it.


Indeed. It's just that capitalism produces immense concentrations of wealth as a core feature of the system.


Sure, so did the Roman Republic and Pharonic Egypt and Imperial China and Communist China

So you're going to need a more accurate diagnosis than simply capitalism


I have to tighten your earlier point a bit first: it is not just absolute concentration of wealth that causes this, it is high levels of inequality, e.g. lots of people in misery with a few folks that have ridiculous riches.

I'm pretty sure the commoners (and even more so, the slaves!) in Rome, Egypt or Imperial China didn't love the system either.

However, I think the average modern-day, communist Chinese person has seen such a rise in standards of living (one billion people pulled out from poverty!) that they don't really hate the system despite there also being high wealth concentration amongst party and business elites.

The gap is the problem, not the peak.


Do you have any social accounts? By the username I'm guessing we're from the same country or region.

And yet all this power in the hands of the very few are only there because the rest of us don't know any better than coordinating for their benefit rather than coordinating in any other way.


I just got one of those M5 meshtastic things with a keyboard and screen. My kid is in love with it. We're just messaging each other for now, but there's a lot of nodes in our area, so we're going to get a few more devices for family/friends in the area.


Check also MeshCore - works on the same hardware as MeshTastic (just flash a different firmware) and has some nice new features and seems to scale better than MeshTastic in big meshes. :)


Dear MS, Not interested but, thank you so much for that push out the door a while back :) Tux is my Copilot now.


Pretty sure the author doesn't intend to enforce the entire world to run QR generation through this code. I'm not stoked Roblox doesn't let me type my real name and phone number into chat. But I can still go to the playground, and say whatever I want. Those 900+ mill people might appreciate a QR-Swastika-Maximizer. Maybe you should author and host one for them. Be the good you want in the world.


They still have to walk to the bus stop.


Buses here go door to door. Or almost anyway. I guess it's because the school age population has declined.


We're not agreed. In a few years, we're gonna be. For a while.


This post looked hilarious in the "new" feed :) Then I realized which came first, and laughed even harder.


Problem this time is, this administration won't reverse the choice when everyone hates it. Not even when the children start dying on the way to school, instead of in it.


Time zones are bad magic but they're not going to kill anybody.


That PS thing is so dumb. People really have trouble letting go of the illusion they've been living under for a long time now. Those disks might as well be random hunks of garbage. It be hilarious if PS starting shipping old AOL CDs from a dump instead. They'd probably be more useful and help reduce landfills.


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